Comments on: Manners go a long way, even in panhandling http://www.moneyrelations.com/2007/10/17/manners-go-a-long-way-even-in-panhandling/ Investing for beginners Wed, 07 Jan 2009 07:34:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: moneyrelations http://www.moneyrelations.com/2007/10/17/manners-go-a-long-way-even-in-panhandling/#comment-245 moneyrelations Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:16:16 +0000 http://www.moneyrelations.com/2007/10/17/manners-go-a-long-way-even-in-panhandling/#comment-245 Hi centsprout, I understand what you mean by "professional" panhandlers. I have heard about that as well, sitting at the same spot. Those are the ones I avoid. I just have problems with those that catch me unawares. I too agree with you that there is help in the form of soup kitchens or shelters. However, I'm not sure how well runned those places are. Once on the radio, I heard there was this homeless guy trying to get off drugs. He complained that he had stayed in a shelter but went back to the streets because there was more drugs <i>in</i> the shelter than out on his own. I really can't comment intelligently on the effectiveness of our social system as thankfully, I've never experienced or witnessed street life. I do not know why these people are out there so sometimes I will give away some money that hasn't been budgeted for charity. In fact, I reduced my cheque to United Way this year because of all these unexpected charities that crop up so I spread it out instead of giving it in a lump sum. Finally, I think I will just carry some spare change in my pockets and not take out my wallet in case I encounter panhandlers. That's just dangerous. Hi centsprout,

I understand what you mean by “professional” panhandlers. I have heard about that as well, sitting at the same spot. Those are the ones I avoid. I just have problems with those that catch me unawares.

I too agree with you that there is help in the form of soup kitchens or shelters. However, I’m not sure how well runned those places are. Once on the radio, I heard there was this homeless guy trying to get off drugs. He complained that he had stayed in a shelter but went back to the streets because there was more drugs in the shelter than out on his own.

I really can’t comment intelligently on the effectiveness of our social system as thankfully, I’ve never experienced or witnessed street life. I do not know why these people are out there so sometimes I will give away some money that hasn’t been budgeted for charity. In fact, I reduced my cheque to United Way this year because of all these unexpected charities that crop up so I spread it out instead of giving it in a lump sum.

Finally, I think I will just carry some spare change in my pockets and not take out my wallet in case I encounter panhandlers. That’s just dangerous.

]]> By: centsprout http://www.moneyrelations.com/2007/10/17/manners-go-a-long-way-even-in-panhandling/#comment-242 centsprout Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:38:19 +0000 http://www.moneyrelations.com/2007/10/17/manners-go-a-long-way-even-in-panhandling/#comment-242 there have been a number of interesting articles in the globe and mail in the last month or so on the topic of panhandling. unfortunately i think most of them are 'locked', or i'd link to some. but one of the interesting points was that panhandling can be pretty lucrative, people pulling in upwards of $100 a day if they are seasoned and have a good spot. needless to say, a good spot is strongly defended by the incumbent. personally as a general rule i don't give money to panhandlers because it feels that doing so just encourages the behaviour and i don't want to do that for a number of reasons, one being that there are times where i've felt threatened by a couple of panhandlers who were trying to intimidate me into giving me money and that's just not cool. however, if they're asking for money or food and i happen to have some food handy (like a wrapped granola bar or whatever) i'm happy to give it to them. but it's always seemed like they look at it in surprise and like 'ok what am i going to do with this'. to be honest, i think it's easy to give to panhandlers out of guilt, but really if you wanted to really help them, then volunteer at a soup kitchen or a place that helps them gain employment skills, or join in the lobby for low-cost housing. or if you don't have time to volunteer, a cash donation (that you would have otherwise given to a panhandler) would surely be much appreciated and at least you have a better idea that the money will be used to help. all of us have a finite supply of money and we are so careful about shopping around for the best deal and getting the best bang for our buck. why don't we expect the same value out of money we give away? i guess i am biased based on my experiences, but interestingly enough here in calgary with the boom, there's also been a boom in panhandling. meanwhile, every retail/fast food place in the city is desperate for workers and fast food jobs are starting at $11/hour. there have been a number of interesting articles in the globe and mail in the last month or so on the topic of panhandling. unfortunately i think most of them are ‘locked’, or i’d link to some. but one of the interesting points was that panhandling can be pretty lucrative, people pulling in upwards of $100 a day if they are seasoned and have a good spot. needless to say, a good spot is strongly defended by the incumbent. personally as a general rule i don’t give money to panhandlers because it feels that doing so just encourages the behaviour and i don’t want to do that for a number of reasons, one being that there are times where i’ve felt threatened by a couple of panhandlers who were trying to intimidate me into giving me money and that’s just not cool. however, if they’re asking for money or food and i happen to have some food handy (like a wrapped granola bar or whatever) i’m happy to give it to them. but it’s always seemed like they look at it in surprise and like ‘ok what am i going to do with this’. to be honest, i think it’s easy to give to panhandlers out of guilt, but really if you wanted to really help them, then volunteer at a soup kitchen or a place that helps them gain employment skills, or join in the lobby for low-cost housing. or if you don’t have time to volunteer, a cash donation (that you would have otherwise given to a panhandler) would surely be much appreciated and at least you have a better idea that the money will be used to help. all of us have a finite supply of money and we are so careful about shopping around for the best deal and getting the best bang for our buck. why don’t we expect the same value out of money we give away? i guess i am biased based on my experiences, but interestingly enough here in calgary with the boom, there’s also been a boom in panhandling. meanwhile, every retail/fast food place in the city is desperate for workers and fast food jobs are starting at $11/hour.

]]> By: moneyrelations http://www.moneyrelations.com/2007/10/17/manners-go-a-long-way-even-in-panhandling/#comment-234 moneyrelations Mon, 22 Oct 2007 00:33:39 +0000 http://www.moneyrelations.com/2007/10/17/manners-go-a-long-way-even-in-panhandling/#comment-234 Not to be facetious but I wonder how Oprah would handle this or how other celebrities deal with charity. Like I said, I earmark money for charity every year but unexpected things happen or there's a new world tragedy or there's a work place campaign going on. Parting with an extra hundred bucks won't kill me, but when do you say no? I'm not the most socially aware person in the world but I come from a lower middle class family and we worked and saved hard for what we had. Now we are enjoying the benefits of all those early years going without. I understand there are extenuating circumstances but when do the excuses stop? Not to be facetious but I wonder how Oprah would handle this or how other celebrities deal with charity. Like I said, I earmark money for charity every year but unexpected things happen or there’s a new world tragedy or there’s a work place campaign going on. Parting with an extra hundred bucks won’t kill me, but when do you say no?

I’m not the most socially aware person in the world but I come from a lower middle class family and we worked and saved hard for what we had. Now we are enjoying the benefits of all those early years going without. I understand there are extenuating circumstances but when do the excuses stop?

]]> By: Nancy (aka money coach) http://www.moneyrelations.com/2007/10/17/manners-go-a-long-way-even-in-panhandling/#comment-233 Nancy (aka money coach) Sun, 21 Oct 2007 05:55:11 +0000 http://www.moneyrelations.com/2007/10/17/manners-go-a-long-way-even-in-panhandling/#comment-233 I contend with this on a daily basis - I live in gastown, on the edges of one of Canada's grittiest neighbourhoods, the "downtown eastside". If I have change, I usually give it, after living here seven years. It may go to drugs, or it may go to a slice of pizza to get a bit of protein into a dreadfully malnourished body. Having said that, I don't give if I'm given some kind of BS story, and I have to admit there are a few characters who just rub me the wrong way. BUT. I also think that I'm not being fair there -- the reason people are on the streets panhandling is in part because they lack social skills, among many other skills. I think of how I get when I'm tired, cold, wet, and HUNGRY, and I sure wouldn't be a model of politeness. I contend with this on a daily basis - I live in gastown, on the edges of one of Canada’s grittiest neighbourhoods, the “downtown eastside”. If I have change, I usually give it, after living here seven years. It may go to drugs, or it may go to a slice of pizza to get a bit of protein into a dreadfully malnourished body. Having said that, I don’t give if I’m given some kind of BS story, and I have to admit there are a few characters who just rub me the wrong way. BUT. I also think that I’m not being fair there — the reason people are on the streets panhandling is in part because they lack social skills, among many other skills. I think of how I get when I’m tired, cold, wet, and HUNGRY, and I sure wouldn’t be a model of politeness.

]]> By: moneyrelations http://www.moneyrelations.com/2007/10/17/manners-go-a-long-way-even-in-panhandling/#comment-230 moneyrelations Sat, 20 Oct 2007 05:10:53 +0000 http://www.moneyrelations.com/2007/10/17/manners-go-a-long-way-even-in-panhandling/#comment-230 Hi WordHugger, Hey now, I can have fun without blowing (perhaps literally $5)! I hope your charity/college fund wiki is going well. :) Hi WordHugger,

Hey now, I can have fun without blowing (perhaps literally $5)!

I hope your charity/college fund wiki is going well. :)

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